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Re: Damning assessment of the F35

PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2015 9:51 pm
by Evil Chicken
Woody01 wrote:[

Is it also a fundamental shift in fighter pilot mentality?


Yeah, the Wifes Uncle is an aircraft engineering trainer at Air NZ and he once told me the difference between the Boeing and the Airbus is that the Boeing defaults to pilot control when everything turns to shit and the airbus defaults to computer control. Sounded a bit scary to me at the time but maybe it's the way of the future.

Alway's made me wonder whether Captain Skully used gung hoe fighter pilot skills to land his Airbus A320 in the Hudson river or just punched in Hudson river into the computer instead of the original destination? :?:

Re: Damning assessment of the F35

PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2015 4:55 pm
by Bearhedge
Just reading old threads a bit here - this one is interesting.

I did a bit of a US road trip just before and as part of it visited the Edwards AFB where they are test flying the bird in question.

From an aviation enthusiast's point of view it was obviously very exciting to see the F-35's zoom about (2 were flying at the time, one of which was the naval version testing slow-speed flight with the vertical fan on. So cool.).

From the perspective of an economics scholar, though, things appear a bit murkier. Horses for courses; you can't help but wonder if a single airframe can reasonably stretch to the multitude of tasks expected of it and whether in this age of asymmetrical warfare it makes sense to spend (a lot of!) money on things like radar stealth, which may give you an edge against a strategic opponent but won't be of any use against MANPADS or small-arms fire.

I'm sure an A-10 or the present-gen F-15/F-16 would light up on an EWR screen like a christmas tree, but is it an issue when chances are your opponent doesn't have EWR or any AA capability beyond IR SAMs and even if they did, you have air superiority and hard-kill SEAD in place as standard procedure of operation.

Russians and the Chinese are developing their own stealth fighters now, of course, so there's no way the US will hop off the band wagon...but it does look like they are trying to fix a flawed concept by throwing money at the problem.

Re: Damning assessment of the F35

PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 10:08 pm
by Evil Chicken
The super high tech weaponry is all fine and dandy in peacetime, a cold war or a short border scirmish but in a real conflict it will come down to brute force and ignorance :evil:

Arming the peasants quickly with basic easy to use and quickly manufactured weapons and equipment will win the day. As long as you can con them into it. ;)

Not saying it's not impressive to see some of the concepts they're coming up with these days. _b

Re: Damning assessment of the F35

PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2015 9:20 am
by Agent X20
So here we are looking at how dire the whole F35 thing is, but consider some of the problems with the F22. There are only like 180 of them with a significant number out of service at any one time, and now we learn:

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/why-it ... 1704889474

34 years ago, the USAF set out to build a fighter that could guarantee American air superiority for decades to come. $75B, 563 less aircraft than planned, and a decade after being declared operational later, the F-22 still doesn’t have what some MiG-21s have, a Helmet Mounted Sight and a missile to go with it.


Wow.

Re: Damning assessment of the F35

PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 11:43 am
by Bearhedge
That is pretty appalling. I remember reading some AirInternational magazine 15 years ago about the new all-mighty Sidewinders and how the F-22 can fire them off-boresight behind them and whatnot...year 2015 they are still not there. I'd hate to think what else you could have achieved with USD$75b over 34 years.

Re: Damning assessment of the F35

PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2015 1:43 pm
by Agent X20
Well that worked (jump to the 6 minute mark):


Re: Damning assessment of the F35

PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 8:05 pm
by Agent X20

Re: Damning assessment of the F35

PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 5:54 pm
by Agent X20
So on top of recent news of reducing the initial buy of F35s by a significant margin there's a reprieve planned for the A10:

http://arstechnica.com/information-tech ... block-buy/